[Suggestion & Fantasy] Singapore Express Train Service

last SG · 2010-02-09T15:29:37+00:00

Note: It will use third track whenever possible, except Jurong East where it uses East West Line EB platform. Hence, the name should be North South East West...

Samuel Lee SG

All your suggestions make it very hard for "express", if you want to use whole new rail lines and trains. Theses suggestions are just gonna be stupidly building new tracks and platforms, using the same C1,C6,C7. It is very hard to be using the existing infrastructure I feel (So I would be working with new rail lines and platforms). Of course, I saw "suggestion and fantasy". However, if it were needed to be more realistic, then there should only be 2 lines, East West City Xpress and North South/City Express lines.

Only then, can you use trains that are faster, and really cut-down travel time efficiently. My suggestion would be:

EWE1 Tampines EWE2 Bedok EWE3 City Hall (int) EWE4 Buona Vista EWE5 Jurong East EWE7 Choa Chu Kang

NSC1 Bayfront NSC2 City Hall (int) NSC3 Orchard NSC4 Toa Payoh NSC5 Ang Mo Kio NSC6 Yishun NSC7 Woodlands

If possible, I would hope that EWE1 to EWE7 can reach within 23 mins, NSC1 to NSC7 within 17 mins. Of course, you might be concerned that the existing lines may be affected. Therefore, this would only be implemented in 3 train cars? more expensive definitely since it will be built to move fast, and also implemented only when there is severe overcrowding on existing lines. Stations mentioned above are what I believe to have high passenger demand along the lines...

1: Why EWE 4 @ Buona Vista? Was it due to Circle line int but I prefer Clementi

2: MRT now dont go to Bayfront, based on your NSC, it is a NSL express, so it is not feasible (Bayfront MRT station does not connect to EWL / NSL). Do you mean Marina Bay / South?

LTnF1fan SG

Buona Vista cos I feel it is not too near JRE. NSC I want to rename to NCE (North City Express), and Bayfront was chosen for the future to cater the the new CBD plus IR, and future developements around that area. Bayfront direct link to City Hall, faster link to high capacity/demand lines.

Samuel Lee SG

Unfortunately here there is a catch that must use existing infrastructure, such that NSL cannot go Bayfront at all...........

Samuel Lee SG

my suggestion is to create a western-singapore express from NS4/BP1 Choa Chu Kang toward EW29 Joo Koon/future tuas extension stations to relief the huge demand of transport from CCK to Boon Lay and the peak-hour rush of workers at tuas.Also,it supports the major feed of people travelling south-to-west changing at Jurong East Regional MRT Interchange.

NS4/BP1 Choa Chu Kang>NS3 Bukit Gombak>NS2 Bukit Batok>NS1/EW24 Jurong East(crossover towards EWL WB platform.)

NS1/ EW24 Jurong East>EW25 Chinese Garden>EW26 Lakeside>EW27 Boon Lay>EW28 Pioneer>EW29 Joo koon (Any Future Stations will not be listed)

And the route may follow Vice-Versa.

edit:i mant to say that the train service only operates during peak hours.

I saw another issue:

While it is possible for trains in Choa Chu Kang to crossover to EWL WB @ JUR, however, trains in Joo Koon (Or Tuas extension-ed terminus) that goes to JUR cannot crossover to middle platform, thus it cannot go NSL route. So it is not feasible. (Not the new platform please and the NSL - EWL crossover will result this proposed train collide in a Jurong bound train as there is no crossover until Bukit Gombak (Or after Batok?))

alstom metropolis SG

But i am sure there is a switchpoint further west right?reversing there should not be a plobrem.

LTnF1fan SG

Unfortunately here there is a catch that must use existing infrastructure, such that NSL cannot go Bayfront at all.........

I know, however this is just a rule here. If I were to do it my way then I would have done it this way.

Samuel Lee SG

But i am sure there is a switchpoint further west right?reversing there should not be a plobrem.

Not too sure what you mean, do you mean

1: JKN NB train use JUR's EB platform, move a bit further east, reverse back to middle platform of JUR (Weird enough,how the announcement gonna to be played) then go to CCK

2: JKN NB train use JUR's EB platform, direct reverse to the crossover that are used by the morning peak hour trains and how is it going to be crossover to the Marina Bay bound track apart of reversing it towards JUR again (How the announcement gonna to be played)?

Both have a concern on changing tracks too rapidly in order to keep it efficient. Thus, I suggest that JKN train should go to Raffles Place EB platform then crossover to NSL NB which will arrive JUR using WB and then return to JKN. (1 direction only)

Fryderyk HPH SG

There is a strict limitation on how much additional capacity existing lines can tolerate.

As others have mentioned before, it is going to be very troublesome on SMRT's part.
The only solution is to build new rails/platforms which is going to be very $$$-intensive.

If TS is willing to open up the topic w/o restricting the lines or to existing infrastructure, it will be more conducive.

Fryderyk HPH SG

Also, point to add, this Xpress thingy can only work if you have dedicated hi-speed lines.

E5 SG

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Samuel Lee SG

So does my Raffles Place - Raffles Place line (North South East West Line) fit into this category? Or the timetable got a bit problem?

For the anti-clockwise bound (Raffles Place - Buona Vista - Choa Chu Kang - Bishan - Raffles Place, a sum up of what it looked like), it will be using Raffles Place's WB platform instead of EB platform. (City Hall will be using existing NSL platforms)

E5 SG

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Samuel Lee SG

No, if not possible to overtake, then dont. It just meant to reduce a few passengers such that there is more fresh air.

Samuel Lee SG

Hey E5 sir, the topic had sinked to Page 3 liao, have the timetable / schedule ready by now?

E5 SG

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Fryderyk HPH SG

I hope everyone understands this will only be fantasy and WILL NEVER EVER EVER happen in Singapore.

Even the S-Bahn/U-Bahn in Germany/Austria and Switzerland despite having tracks and rails over long distances cannot do that without sacrificing much time.

For instance, crossing over to the other platform involves having to switch the train over to the other track. Should all schedules be pre-planned, one delay by the very first few trains will cause a backlog of unimaginable proportions on a high density short freq network like Singapore's MRT during peak hours.

Switching takes time. And also, as I said, if it is pre-programmed, one delay would screw everything up unless there is sufficient "dead" time. If they are pre-programmed to switch trains to different tracks at allocated times, and the delayed train doesn't reach the switching point at the stipulated time, you are possibly going to delay trains BOTH directions especially on the NS line where at some point in time this limited express service goes bi-directional.

I hope you people understand what I mean.

Samuel Lee SG

Wow, although I dont fully comprehend the timetable, I would appericate if you can create similar thing for EWL. Note: At the moment, I am only developing EWL Westbound in openBVE.

NickL_C151 SG

Wow, although I dont fully comprehend the timetable, I would appericate if you can create similar thing for EWL. Note: At the moment, I am only developing EWL Westbound in openBVE.

For stations/sidings with 2 slots, the first slot is the arrival time and the second slot is the departure time. If it says pass, it means that the train is only passing through the station. (Non-stopping train)

For stations with 3 slots, the first slot is the arrival time, the second slot is the platform assignment and the third slot is the departure time.

Samuel Lee SG

I hope everyone understands this will only be fantasy and WILL NEVER EVER EVER happen in Singapore.

Even the S-Bahn/U-Bahn in Germany/Austria and Switzerland despite having tracks and rails over long distances cannot do that without sacrificing much time.

I hope you people understand what I mean.

This is the difference between rationality and instincts (Or rather 理性和感性的问题).

To Nickl_C151: Thanks for the clarification. I have understand the meaning liao.

^tamago^ SG

not possible if you cannot overtake on a bi-track configuration.

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